We have not forgotten!

Kane half a shade from a red card there.

Marc-Tuchel’s eyes must of lit up we he saw MA’s plans unfold…what a shoehorning clusterfuck…that said, we still have time to put a couple past them…personally I would bring on Jesus and Tross for Havertz and Jorginho, then get Rice back in his rightful position…it’s a risky play but we aren’t going to the Allianz without a goal advantage and winning this matchup

we need to make one these set pieces count

TRVL

Its also about getting some confidence into the players for the league matches coming up – drop points against Villa or Wolves and its season over.

Havertz is such a flopping clown

have we even had a shot on goal since Saka scored?

but why Marts and not Havertz????

in order to make those subs most effective we needed to retain our width, which can’t logical be achieved with Marts going off…the problem is MA brought on Zinchenko so in order to retain his preferred defensive balance he needed to keep Havertz on, as he will likely have some box-to-box responsibilities

good work by my subs lol…this backline is bang average as a unit, so we just might find a very crucial third

we need to get someone with some more energy and pace on for Havertz…maybe ESR would do the trick

It would be a difficult task to beat Bayern at their home. We need one more.

I’m starting to understand why Partey might not be playing more often, he’s lost a step and a half

Trvl

He is rusty, needs more game time I guess.

Ambarish-that’s what I meant…unfortunately we don’t have enough matches left to likely get him up to speed

this ought to be an interesting VAR call

lots of contact but it looks to be instigated by Saka, at least at first blush

Just in case anyone hasn’t seen the goals in the Madrid – City match

Wow!

what an unusual affair…still think we could have left today with a decided victory if we had started a more offensive lineup with Rice sitting deeper, as he should against good sides

Difficult to make sense of that. I feel slightly more confident about out chances in Germany in the second leg than I did after we lost away to Porto. Well need some seriously big performances though from players who were a little off tonight.

TRVL

The first goal killed us and gave them a ton of confidence and it was all so unnecessary.

Kroenke

We had the bonus of no away fans tonight – its going to take a massive performance for us to go through.

Its a straight up old fashioned cup tie – winner takes all.

massibely difficult task to go to the Allianz and win it outright, but certainly not impossible…just wish we had taken advantage of our massive home side gig and went for the jugular…that said, we do have two things going for us, (1) they have bowed out at this stage 3 years running, and (2) they have a below average defensive group, which can be had by those who’re willing to show a modicum of courage…still believe if we had come out guns ablazing we could have punished them today and forced them into the kind of return fixture they would least like, tactically-speaking

massively

Morning all.
The game was too late for me live, but wouldn’t have been able to watch via satellite because of heavy thunderstorms we normally get in the rain season, not 40s+*C summer. Precipitation at it’s best.

No real comments from me. We got what I’d expect from the team selection and were too predictable against a Bayern team who can match us player for player but have a real striker in Kane. Why do most of our attacks go down via Saka? So easy to defend against when you know our play.

All to play for in Germany but unless El B makes the right selections, we will go out as Toucal has got El B’s number even if He’s not doing wonders with Bayern in their domestic league.

We simply need 3 goals in Germany, and I don’t see that happening because Bayern will score if we have Jorginho, Havertz, Jesus and Zinny lining up. We’ve also forgotten what a player Kane is as much as I’d hate to say it. If Kane was a Gooner, he’d be a legend behind Henry and Bergy.

A Kane type player is what we are missing!!!!!!!!!

TRVL
Totally agree, at home we should have gone for broke for the first 30 and kept Bayern on the beck foot especially with 60+K Gooners in the stadium our team selection didn’t allow for that.

KP
Away goals are the killer for us. I don’t think there is any way Bayern don’t score at home.

Marc
It would be some cup final to overcome last night’s shoreline.

Aitcho
Genuinely interested in your post match comments, especially if you were at the game. What was good and what wasn’t from what you witnessed live? What I saw was wash, rinse & repeat……..

LIR
I’m not really bothered about last night’s result. My full CL interest will be next season, as all I’m focussed on is winning the PL where we have the squad to do just that from out GD top position.

It’s in El B’s hands now, so, let’s get back to our PL winning ways by dismantling a very average Villa side, where dear old Unai Emery will be doing his monster mash touchline walk channeling his inner Dracula visuals looking lost again.

the more I reflect on our match, especially after watching that finishing masterclass put on by Real and City, the more frustrated I get…I can’t help but think that we missed a huge opportunity to punish a flat and defensively poor Bayern side

firstly, this match had a very unusual feel, not only did we gift them two schooling my little brother at Fifa type goals, but we likewise wasted a few grade A chances of our own, most specifically the White chance that saw him in all alone, some five feet from goal, with only the Keeper to beat…far too often we’ve found a way to hit the opposing Keeper square in the chest, so to speak, when given those yawning cage-like opportunties…it really speaks to our need to acquire a few quality finishers in the upcoming window, above all else

secondly, albeit still pertaining to the “feel”, our sideline failed to read the room in a timely manner…instead of blaming Kiwior for Raya’s cock-up, we should have brought in Jesus and Tross earlier, for Havertz and Jorginho, then had Rice sitting deep…with Marts and Saka out wide, this left their CBs largely isolated against our bizarro world front two of Rice and Havertz, which suited their defenders skillsets far more than a couple of smaller and shiftier players, like the aforementioned duo…neither of their backers could handle being left on an island too often with Saka and Marts, especially after Davies early yellow, which would mean that more of their offensive-minded players would have to come deeper to defend, which would stifle their ability to counter effectively with pace and numbers…not to mention, that starting group included several players who’re rather ineffectual when it comes to defending in their own end

of course, this matchup is far from decided, as we have the capacity to win on German soil, but we could have put purselves in a much more advantageous position if we had just showed some managerial onions in the friendly confines of the Emirates

Kane just loves scoring against us – it is payback for being released by us when he was a slightly chubby schoolboy. He must be praised for his determination to succeed it is just a pity that Emperor Wenger gave him the thumbs down.
Jorginho is a tidy player with an occasional killer pass – occasional is not good enough at this stage of the competition. Is ESR injured or somebody says he is injured like last time he went missing.
Last night the back 4 were slightly disjointed or perhaps the opposing manager knew how to disrupt.
2-2 is not the end of the world but the return leg will be hard. Aitcho – if you were at the game last night how did Odegaard perform. I could only snatch glimpses during the game last night.

Thanks TRVL, that all makes sense to me.

Doesn’t matter my feelings about Havertz or any player last night, we can only play the way we’ve been set up to play. We looked like we lacked belief when we needed to believe the most. Not an unfamiliar way under El B. We lose impetus and focus in our play is my reading of the matter. Slower to 2nd balls and into the big challenges. Not by much but enough to make the difference.

Bayern didn’t impress and yet they scored 2 away goals they’ll be coveting back at the Alliance Arena. If they keep a clean sheet, it is all they need to do to go through, so all guns blazing with attack being our best form of defense in Munich.

All we have to do is nick 3 goals without reply and it’s final time baby. To me that would equal or be close to Liverpool 89, especially if we went on to lift the cup.

I’ll just hope that El B doesn’t blow our league winning potential in Germany, such as losing Rice when we need him most.

We are not City with a perfect Rice replacement as a 2nd tier. Rice, Ode and Partey are crucial to our successful run in, as are Willie, Gabs and Saka.

Martinelli will be crucial, too if we use him right. Playing down the left would be a big help, too.

I’m still furious about that blatant elbow by Lisping Arry Cunt in Gabriel’s face last night.

All the signs point to it being deliberate. As the ball aporiaches, he looks to see where Gab is in order to connect. And then he tightens his arm and ccks his elbow back.

Fucking disgraceful and christ only knows why the referee gave him a yellow. A straight red every time in the PL (although maybe not when that cheating slag was at Spurs) . Is there any prospect of a latter review? Really grim.

Tony
I went, wasn’t going to miss it. Atmosphere was lively, even more so when we went ahead. I think at that stage we were feeling them out but the goal perhaps gave us a false sense of superiority too early.

Then we came back to the reality, it’s Champs league, Bayern aren’t mugs and even small errors get punished. A lesson we forgot after the first Porto game. The goal, I’d put mostly on Gabs, Raya created the uncertainty but at that stage as a defender from day one you’re taught if in doubt to kick it out.

Kiwor looked suspect, he’s couldn’t live with Sane, levels again, Rice had to do a lot of work covering the lanes to him, it left us a little short in the middle.

Bayern were constantly moving the ball to our left. They knew. Dier’s no baller but he just simply shifted it left, I was surprised to see him start but perhaps made sense him up against Havertz. They seemed happier with the ball away from our right, Marts saw a lot of it but to little effect. Saka didn’t get involved enough. Davies did a good job of keeping close to him and closing off. We didn’t work the ball to our right in Part due to how Bayern set up. Davies is quality but I’d like to have seen us go at him more and us focus on working the ball out right given the early yellow, force the issue.

Saliba’s runs, while eye-catching were indicative of our frustration and perhaps naivety. There’s no need. Be patient.

The crowd knew what was up early. The singing was a bit muted and less spontaneous, one of those games where we had to make a conscious effort to get behind the team.

My only quibble with the selection was Marts instead of Jesus. When he came on he showed a bit more craft and I think he would have provided more of a threat from the off with his experience and guile. Marts isn’t there yet.

And I think Tomi would have been a better choice than Zinny to come on. Even after he came on for JK,the balls still kept being chucked down the left. They just did the basic fling it into the corners and put the wingers, Sane Coman one on one. No end of stress. And not impressed that we didn’t seem to have it sussed.

As for the pen, it’s more or less in line with where I sit. We all thought it was nailed on and left fuming. I’ve seen it on repalys now. A lot less definite.

I’d have taken a 0-0 a I said at the start. This team does learn and errors aside I think we matched them. Hopefully like with Porto we learn and improve.

Tony-this Bayern team is the most vulnerable version I’ve seen in some time, not because they don’t have the weapons, as they’re flush with talent, but the managerial merry-go-round has clearly affected their play on the pitch…their two many cooks in the kitchen approach to organizational life, which was once considered a strength, has quickly become their achilles heel…as a result, they tend to cater to their senior players too much, even moreso than their managerial staff, which leads to a lot of unhealthy dissension within the ranks and the deployment of tactics that don’t feature the talents of their best and brightest…as such, they oft-times look and feel like a disjointed group of talented individuals, which is likely why they’ve cocked up matches in the second half far too often and failed to progress beyond this stage in the CL for several seasons…let’s face it, if they hadn’t found a way to secure Harry’s services, things could have gotten incredibly messy, especially considering the astronomical point differential between themselves and Lever

we, on the other hand, have pursued a somewhat contrasting course, as MA has opted for a team-first model, so much so that he will regularly choose lesser players over better options and even deploy tactics that cater more to the skillsets of said lesser players…now that might be a successful approach for our PL pursuits, especially in a rather peculiar season where there’s a lot of teams in transition, in that we’re the most settled squad, but against CL opposition tactical changes simply must be made

simply put we needed to show considerably more balls against a team that has struggled to defend as a unit…instead we kind of bailed them out by going with the least threatening middle of the pitch combo of Havertz and Rice…now some will wrongly suggest that we should have played Jesus over Marts, but that would have likely made things worse, as he can’t even provide the required amount of width…instead we simply needed to take off both Havertz and Jorginho at half, put Jesus and Tross on the pitch and get Rice back to his rightful position…I strongly believe that if we had did so we would have finished the first leg with at least a goal advantage